Forbidden Colours, by Yukio Mishima, Translated by Alfred H. Marks. but as always with Yukio Mishima, there is more going on below the. From one of Japan’s greatest modern writers comes an exquisitely disturbing novel of sexual combat and concealed passion, a work that distills beauty. Forbidden Colors, by Yukio Mishima, is both dazzling and cruel—as I Written in Japan in , Forbidden Colors is narrated by an aging.
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Log in No account? You do realize that being homosexual doesn’t mean you hate women, right? By which I mean, striking that concept out of your page novel, gives me roughly 45 pages of a pretty aristocrat being bored.
Mishima-sensei was himself homosexual, and spent his life bullied and pushed into corners, which gave him a rather burning hatred for a lot of things he died by suicide. Most of his books had heavy autobiographical touches as well, so they shouldn’t be seen as speaking colord anybody but himself.
So, what you are saying is that he himself hated fornidden.
How, exactly, does him being a misogynist make things better? You’d think that being the victim of prejudice himself would make him less likely to be that prejudiced himself. Reply Parent Thread Link. Not true at all. Victims of prejudice are WAY more likely to hold prejudices against other groups of people because it is a way for them to gain a tenuous feeling of power in their miserable lives. Also, I kind of need to point out that a character having a prejudice doesn’t necessarily mean that this prejudice is being held up as a standard, though I haven’t read the book so the OP will be better able to speak on this point.
Sorry, I read your comment as trying to justify his hatred of women in his writing. Even though their reasons for it differ, the samurai and the homosexual do not see manliness as instinctive but rather as something gained only from moral effort.
Did Mishima-sensei say it, or one of the characters? Either way, I’ll have to check this one out again. I didn’t say it made things better; how did you get the idea I did? The original poster said that homosexuals did not necessarily hate women, so I pointed out that Mishima-sensei was gay and often wrote with autobiographical touches to his work, so he wasn’t necessarily trying to say that gay men hated women in “Forbidden Colors”.
The suicide was a ritual seppuku after a failed coup attempt. Would you even call that a coup? He spoke in front of the army telling them to change back to the samurai ways. They laughed at him. He got butthurt and committed seppuku. Failed attempt, for exactly the reasons you just stated. There isn’t any evidence that women were responsible for bullying at all.
His mother, in fact, nurtured his talent for writing after his father forbid it and would search his room for evidence he was engaging in “effeminate” literary activity. By your logic, this would make him far more likely to hate men than women though I do believe his grandmother was unstable and violent. He seems to have also had several romantic liaisons with women, including his widow by whom he had a daughter and a son.
While marriages of convenience are not unheard of, it’s still murky for me whether he was exclusively homosexual. Additionally, when one puts works out into the world, one is making a statement– while he may have only been expressing himself, or even expressing a FICTIONAL emotion, he was deliberately sharing that.
To say “you can’t extrapolate from this that he wanted anyone else to feel that forbiden is a cop-out to the extreme. I think he had a serious complex about what being “masculine” meant. One of his close friends was a transvestite or maybe trans, I can’t recall the interview who mentioned how he once teased Mishima for being short.
The man responded by overworking himself to build a muscular body. It’s possible his affairs with women were just to prove to himself that he was indeed, a man.
I wonder if he suffered from depression or any other mental illnesses, which probably exacerbated everything. Mishima was a messed up person, and that’s putting it mildly. My grandfather hates him with a passion, and this is a man who doesn’t even like to say “I don’t like Gabbygirl, I don’t understand.
Like you mshima, he might have been making a statement about his own emotions and expressing himself, sharing his feelings. So how does that mean it’s a cop-out to not extrapolate statements pertaining to all gay men from his characters? I can’t say whether he was writing only about himself or only about society in every novel he wrote I haven’t read them all, for a start.
For this novel, I mentioned he was gay, and that we shouldn’t see his work as speaking for anyone else but himself, because a he was well-known to have used heavily autobiographical references for his work and b all of his ideas about nationalism and masculinity seem to have sprung from his childhood wounds, and his writing worked to come to grips with it.
Thus, I don’t see why we yuki assume his main characters hating women in one novel means he necessarily assumes all homosexuals hate women.
You’re assuming that people always hold their beliefs for logical reasons. He was trying to make a statement forbodden publishing this, yes, but that still doesn’t mean he was necessarily telling people how to feel themselves. I don’t think you can speak for every author and their intentions, sorry. Is it just one character who is gay and also hates women?
Because this may be a defining character trait which is not meant to be causality– there ARE, after all, gay men who hate women, although certainly I hope not many.
It’s only if there are multiple gay characters and they yjkio possess this virulent hatred of women that I would be concerned.
Forbidden Colors – Wikipedia
I understand what you are saying and that was what I was holding out for, too. However, it starts with an old writer, not homosexual, who hates women, who convinces a homosexual that he hates women, and then the homosexual discovers that many other of “his kind” yes, used in novel, though could just be translation hate women; and on the flip side, the women characters thus hated are 1 an innocent but weak and somewhat emotionally masochistic and definitely codependent wife; 2 a spider woman who sleeps with everybody but of course falls deeply in love with the one person she cannot get homosexual main character ; and 3 an easily manipulated vapid slut.
The characters seek to “revenge” themselves upon women, and succeed, and the women of course never defend themselves Everyone loves the main character because he’s just pretty beautiful and pretty and youthful and beautiful.
Other comments help me understand the author in context, but does not forgive the book.
Mishima Yukio was a messed up man, who died in a messed up way. My grandfather hates him with a fiery passion, mostly because the man supported a return to conservative, samurai ways, and that was what had led to WWII and Japan invading Taiwan. This is a man who otherwise is pretty much Japanese and adores Japanese culture. All of his books are disturbing.
It’s probably best just to avoid his work in the future. Yeah, I would just avoid Mishima altogether if you’re looking for a fair and non-disturbing viewpoint on the world.
I do agree with miritsu though most of his works are very personal and autobiographical, so while it doesn’t justify what is messed up about its worldview it does explain it, and you can’t exactly get off claiming he’s just an idiot who’s incorrectly imagining what it would be like to be this type of person and think this way.
He already knows from his own personal experience, even if that experience is not generalizable to others. Most homosexuals don’t hate women, but apparently some do, and Mishima and by extension some of his characters was one of them.
Mishima has beautiful writing and I love his books because of that. I haven’t read this one but I probably will in the future. I like him because he was so radical, not that I advocate either or for his beliefs but I find his different perspective on things very thought provoking if anything.